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22 things to say to your brother after Dad's funeral

You've barely talked since the funeral. Here are the actual words for the call: how to open it, how to stay on the line, and how to close it without a speech.

By Ancient Coping EditorialUpdated October 29, 202622 lines to useBased on the audiobook Marcus Aurelius on Death in 40 Minutes

It's a Saturday. Your phone is in your hand and your brother's name is on the screen. Neither of you has said much since the funeral. A few texts about the house. One about the parking. Nothing about Dad.

You keep putting the call off. It isn't that you don't care. You don't know what you'd say, and you're afraid that if one of you starts, it won't stop.

The idea that makes it easier

Marcus Aurelius buried most of his children, his wife, his adopted brother, and the emperor who raised him. Then he wrote a private notebook about it. The ancient accounts say that when he wept for a tutor as a boy, the palace staff tried to quiet him. His adoptive father stopped them. "Let him be only a man for once; for neither philosophy nor empire takes away natural feeling," he said.

So you are not trying to be stone on this call. Stoicism isn't about feeling less. It's about adding less. Less of it shouldn't have happened. Less guilt over what went unsaid. Less belief that you have to carry this alone.

Marcus opens his notebook with a list of people and what he got from each of them. He doesn't write about what he lost. He writes about what he was given. That is the move for this call. Don't try to solve the grief. Start by asking what you each got from him.

The Greek philosopher Epicurus, on what he knew was his last day, wrote: "On this blissful day, which is also the last of my life, I write this to you. My continual sufferings from strangury and dysentery are so great that nothing could augment them; but over against them all I set gladness of mind at the remembrance of our past conversations." Memory shared with someone is not a small thing.

How to use these lines

You don't need all twenty-two. Pick four or five that sound like you. Change Dad to Mom if that's who it was, and change brother to sister or friend if that's who you're calling. Cut anything that feels like a performance. If a line makes you wince when you say it out loud, it's the wrong line.

Say the first one even if your voice isn't steady. Having a steady voice is not the goal. Having him hear that you called is.

The groups below run in the order the call tends to go. Open, say what you've been avoiding, talk about what he gave you, handle the quiet or the anger, deal with the practical stuff, and close. You can stop after any group.

Add their name in the box and it's filled into the lines that use it.

To open it

Keep the first minute small. You're not solving anything. You're showing up.

  • It's me. I know it's been a while. I'm not calling about anything specific. I just wanted to hear your voice.

    It lowers the stakes. He doesn't have to brace for logistics or a big talk, and that makes it easier for him to stay on the line.

  • I've been meaning to call since the funeral. I kept finding reasons not to.

    It's honest, and it tells him he isn't the only one who's been avoiding it. Marcus's habit was to describe a thing plainly, without decoration.

  • Do you have a few minutes? I'd like to talk about Dad. Not the arrangements. Just Dad.

    It names the subject and takes the paperwork off the table. Men often circle around the logistics because they're safer. This tells him it's okay to leave them.

  • I don't have a speech. I just didn't want this to stay weird between us.

    It says the awkwardness out loud, which lets some of the air out of it. It also promises him you won't give a performance.

To say what you've been avoiding

This is the part you rehearsed in the car. Keep it short and let him answer.

  • I think I've been staying busy so I wouldn't have to think about it.

    This is the quiet cost the book describes: we stay busy, we joke, we change the subject. Naming it takes away its power and invites him to do the same.

  • I found his glasses on a shelf in the garage. I had to sit down for a few minutes.

    A small physical detail does more than "I'm struggling." It's true, it's specific, and it lets him say he's had a moment like that too.

  • How are you actually doing? I'll take the real answer, even if it's "not great."

    Most men answer "fine" to the first ask. The second half of the line gives him permission to skip that.

  • I didn't know what to say, so I said nothing. That was wrong, and I'm sorry.

    A plain apology for the silence clears the space. You're owning your part without making it about you.

To talk about what he gave you

Marcus began his notebook with a list of what he got from each person. Try the same on the phone.

  • I keep thinking about how patient he was with us. I didn't see it then.

    It turns the talk from what you lost to what you were given, which is the move Marcus made. It also gets a story going, and stories are easier than feelings.

  • Here's what I got from him. He did what was in front of him, every day, and he never made a show of it. I want more of that.

    The book's measure of a good life is doing what's in front of you well. Saying it aloud makes it a standard for you, not just a eulogy.

  • What do you have from him? Tell me one thing.

    A small, specific question is easier to answer than "how do you feel." Asking for one thing keeps it from becoming a speech.

  • He wasn't famous. He didn't need to be. I think he got it right.

    This is the long view applied to a family. A life isn't measured by whether anyone remembers it, but by whether it was done well.

If he goes quiet or gets angry

Silence is normal. So is a sharp answer. Don't fill the space with advice.

  • You don't have to say anything. I'll just stay on the line.

    It takes the pressure off him to perform. Sitting in silence together counts as support.

  • If you're angry, that's okay. Be angry at me if you need to. I'm not going anywhere.

    Grief often comes out as anger, and it often lands on whoever is closest. Letting it land without answering back is the steady response.

  • I'm not trying to fix anything. I just don't want you handling this by yourself.

    It tells him you aren't there to manage his grief. It also says outright that he doesn't have to carry it alone.

  • We can talk about something else for a while. We'll come back to it.

    You can't stay in the heaviest part for forty minutes. Offering a break, with a promise to return, keeps him from feeling dropped.

To say the practical thing

The house, the stuff, the paperwork. Raise it gently, and only after you've said the rest.

  • At some point we have to deal with his things. Not this week. When do you want to start?

    It signals you won't push, and that he gets a say in the timing. Giving him that control matters when everything else was out of his hands.

  • I'd like us to do the garage together. I'll bring coffee. We don't have to talk.

    Working side by side is easier for many men than sitting face to face. It's an invitation that doesn't demand any words.

  • If there's anything you want to keep, say so now. I won't argue about any of it.

    Fights over belongings are often fights about grief. Settling it early, and generously, protects the two of you.

To close it

End plainly. No joke at the end to cover it.

  • I'm glad we talked. I'll call you Sunday.

    A specific time makes this the start of something and not a one-off. It's a small promise you can keep.

  • I love you, man. I should have said it before now.

    Marcus's own advice for the week is to tell someone living what they mean to you, plainly. You don't know how many more calls you get. That's the bonus idea.

  • This week, think of one thing about Dad and tell me what it is. I'll do the same.

    It gives the next call a shape, and keeps the memory-sharing going so grief doesn't go silent again.

What not to say

  • He's in a better place.

    You don't know that, and neither does he. It shuts the conversation down and can sound like you're trying to wrap it up.

  • At least he lived a long life.

    Marcus argued that the length of a life isn't the measure. That may be true in theory, but it won't help your brother in the moment. It feels like a ranking of his pain.

  • I know exactly how you feel.

    You don't. You lost the same father, but not the same one he had. Say "I miss him too" and leave it there.

  • Let me know if you need anything.

    Grieving men almost never ask. Offer something specific, like a call on Sunday or help with the garage, and then do it.

After the call

Don't judge it by how it felt in the moment. Some of these calls are awkward and short, and they still work. What matters is that the door is open now. Put a reminder in your phone to call again in a week. A second call is easier than the first, and it tells him the first wasn't a one-time gesture.

Then do one small thing in his father's name. Marcus would say to fasten the clarity to something before the ordinary fog comes back. Go over on Saturday and help with the garage. Send him a photo of Dad you haven't shared. Write one page about what you got from the old man, and keep it. You don't have to show anyone.

If it goes badly

He might not pick up. Leave a short message: Just calling to say I'm thinking about you. No need to call back. Then try again in a few days. He might snap at you, or go cold. Grief makes people strange. Don't match his tone, and don't take it as the final word. Say, Okay. I'm here when you want to talk, and mean it.

Pay attention if something sounds worse than grief. If he says he can't go on, that there's no point, or that he wants to end things, don't handle that alone and don't wait. Stay with him. Call your local emergency number or a crisis line together, or get another family member or friend on the phone with you right now. And if months pass and he still can't function, nudge him toward a doctor or a grief counselor. That isn't failure. It's the right tool for the job.

Marcus kept going to his post, but he didn't do it in isolation. He had friends at the bedside, and a son to hand things to. Neither do you have to do this alone.

Marcus Aurelius on Death in 40 Minutes goes further into how Marcus lived with loss. It covers how to grieve without stonewalling or drowning, how to look at your own ending plainly, and how to use the time you have left. It's a forty-minute listen, and it works well on the drive over to your brother's.

The ideas, decoded

The Bonus
A practice drawn from Marcus Aurelius's Meditations. Treat your life up to now as complete and today as extra. It's a way to stop putting off the call you've been dodging.
The Long View
Marcus's habit of picturing earlier ages, such as the time of Vespasian, and noticing that everyone in them was as busy and worried as we are, and is now gone. It lifts the pressure to be remembered and puts the focus on doing what's in front of you.
The Same Loss
Marcus's argument that all anyone loses is the present moment, so the longest life and the shortest come to the same thing. It breaks the habit of measuring a life, or a loss, by its length.
Natural feeling
The idea, attached to Marcus's adoptive father Antoninus in the ancient accounts, that philosophy doesn't ask you to stop feeling. The Stoic aim is to grieve without adding extra torment, not to feel nothing.
Three Acts
Marcus's closing image of life as a play. You didn't write it, and you don't pick the length. What's yours is how well you play the scenes you're given.
Remembering together
Epicurus, writing on what he knew was his last day, said roughly that the memory of talks with a friend gave him joy that outweighed his pain. Shared memory is an old and tested way to carry a loss.

Questions people ask

What if my brother and I never talk about feelings?

Start with a memory or the garage instead of a feeling. "Do you remember how Dad did that?" is a way in. Most men talk more easily when there's a story or a task to hold.

Should I call or text?

Call if you can, or at least text to set up a call. The lines here are written to be said out loud. If a call feels like too much, send a short text first, like "Thinking about you. Can I call Sunday?", and then follow through.

What if we had a falling out before Dad died?

Say that first, briefly: "Whatever was between us, I don't want it to run this." Then use the lines about missing him. Losing a parent can open a door that was stuck, but don't force a full reconciliation on one call.

What if I cry on the phone?

Let it happen and keep going. Marcus wept openly as a boy, and the people around him were told to let him. Say, "Give me a second," and carry on. It usually makes it easier for the other person to loosen up too.

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